Mickey Z
Cool Observer
Monday, September 18, 2006
Why I hate America
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Stern stuff mz,
It’s admirable to attempt to wake the sleeping herd but how to get the message to ripple outward with as much effect as possible?
GBS said if your going to tell the truth you better make them laugh.
What do you think??
What do you call a woman with one leg?
Eileen
And a woman with no legs?
Noleen
And where do you find a dog with no limbs??
Where you left him!!
tee heePeace and love
declan
Posted by declan from dubalin town on 09/18 at 07:01 AM -
Long time, Declan - hello and thanks for making me laugh. (is Dublin still recognizably like itself a decade ago?)
I’m about to go and read the full article right now, but after all the anticipation of the last few days’ comments on this, I just had to say I like the saucy tone already, and John Lennon’s quote, quite sadly, seems timeless.
Posted by Amelopsis from Canada on 09/18 at 07:49 AM -
"Fear of recrimination allows the status quo to control the terms of debate. “
This fear manifests in so many ways; there is th obvious fear of authority, but I think the subtler fear of peer opinion can be much more insidious and a greater indicator of a deficit of confidence in many people.
Great stuff Mickey. I think the time for sugar coating is past - truth is ugly and it’s time people open their eyes to it so they can do some serious renovations on the joint.
Posted by Amelopsis from Canada on 09/18 at 08:04 AM -
I went back to Dublin for first time in 2 years last December Amelopsis, didn´t find that much to recognise. All the businesses were either new and shiny or boarded up and I saw people running to catch buses, which becomes a weird sight after a stretch living here.
Posted by owen from barcelona on 09/18 at 08:25 AM -
It seems Dublin must have graduated to become a full fledged “cosmopolitan city”. Too bad.
I don’t suppose you saw any horses making deliveries on Grafton then? (not the quaint ‘go for a ride’ type, but the side of road encampment working type)
Posted by Amelopsis from Canada on 09/18 at 09:17 AM -
Good rainy Monday, Expendables near and far. I’m back! And thanks for the birthday wishes on the 14th inst. It was, as my birthdays generally are, unmemorable. (Thank goodness!)
I’d planned to come home on Storytelling Saturday to spin y’all a yarn, but the movers cancelled on me for a Sunday move and I had to find another firm. All my stuff is now out of my sister’s house and neice’s garage, and in a storage unit near my new house.
James/CatLady let me know, Jeremy, of your family’s loss. Please tell your wife from me that I send my prayers to her father for a safe journey home.
I have discovered, in my time away from Cool Observer, a wonderful wonderful thing...LibraryThing. It’s a website where biblioholics like me can catalog our books with bibliographical data from the Library of Congress, the Canadian National Catalogue, amazon.com, etc etc, all by entering one’s choice of datum. It’s so much easier than the Excel spreadsheet I was trying to put the card-catalog system I had before into...enter an ISBN or an LC number and >poof< the whole job’s done for you! This is when I love technology. I recommend it heartily. Look at it, at least, ad see if it doesn’t appeal: http://www.librarything.com/
As tgo today’s main topic, I certainly hate those behaviors. I don’t hate America. I hate what the Government is doing, because I hate the results of a successful right-wing culture war that began during Nixon’s Presidency. I am completely repulsed by the supine hoi polloi who have let the richest 1% get from 39x richer than the bottom quintile (roughly 25 million Americans) to 182x richer than the bottom TWO quintiles.
If the people don’t fight for fairness, it will simply not happen. Anywhere, ever. And, in my usual at-an-angle way, this is the fight I care about, and the one I care about discussing. Foreign policy abuses bore me. I disagree with the focus on what’s happening in places not here, when there are so many awful, hideous, abusive things going on right here that we could, and im my view should, focus on and try to wake people up about.
So...I recuse myself from bobming-Iraq or displacing-DiegoGarcians discussion on the grounds that there are people hungry, homeless and unhelped here. If that’s not agreeable to some, so what...but it’s why I’ve stayed away for so long: I’m not in sympathy with this focus even a little bit. I don’t want to talk about foreign policy in outraged terms because I’m not outraged. I want to talk about domestic policy in incandescently infuriated terms. That’s what I care about because I see it as futile to criticize the Government for its actions abroad when the actions at home are so venal.
Like giving a tax cut to the very wealthiest people in the world as a stupid, fabricated war begins in a country we should’ve just left alone. It’s the tax cut I think we should focus on. It affects our daily lives, those of our children, and those of our grandchildren.
If that’s not okay here, then here isn’t a place that I feel comfortable being. I would like to think that, in the angry discussion of things happening elsewhere, there would be some spare room for different viewpoint to be aired without mutual recriminations. All in favor?
Posted by Mudge from Austin, Texas on 09/18 at 09:46 AM -
Hello Expendables from sunny warm Astoria. I only have a minute so let me welcome both Mudge and Declan back. I’ll comment at length a little later.
Posted by Mickey Z. from Astoria on 09/18 at 10:52 AM -
Good afternoon to everyone from another sunny afternoon in Montreal.
A very thought-provoking piece you have today, Mickey.
Mudge
Why is it not permissible to be outraged at both the domestic & foreign policies of this failed administration?
Posted by Canadian Observer from on 09/18 at 12:16 PM -
Hi Canadian Observer: I have no desire to dictate what others think about. I don’t want to be dictated to, either. I, me personally, this discrete individual, couldn’t care less about foreign policy. Therefore, I think it’s a sin and a shame for those who don’t share my views to “waste” their energy caring about this crapola. Since I don’t control the Universe yet, all I can do is express myself on the subjects I DO care about. Y’all bloviate at length about whatever suits you, and I won’t attack you; may I expect the same in return? This is the question I pose.
The concept of permission to think doesn’t obtain; only permission to express thoughts.
Posted by Mudge from Austin, Texas on 09/18 at 12:41 PM -
AHHHH YES, MUDGE IS BACK....LET THE FUN BEGIN !!!
Hellos to declan, Amelopsis, Canadian Observer…
MIckey, that is one of your best articles. I really like, “...If you hate America so much, why don’t you leave? Leave America? That would potentially put me on the other end of U.S. foreign policy. No thanks....” I will be using your answer to that often asked question. That is the point that I so often and so clumsily have tried to make.
The sun is shining here and I have been inside for over a week so I’ll check in later. The vitamin D is calling me.
Posted by RMJ from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts on 09/18 at 12:42 PM -
keeping the Lennon theme. Did anyone else catch this http://tinyurl.com/m3cke
Mudge is back.
Posted by Uncle Joe from never ending english summer on 09/18 at 12:49 PM -
Hi Mudge!
Our ‘keys to the Universe’ must be in the mail - mine hasn’t arrived yet either.
Glad to see you back.
RMJ - enjoy the sunshine...ours lasted all of about 4 hours.
(captcha says “twenty”...number of expendables who’ll post today - ‘cuz it sure isn’t my age!)
Posted by Amelopsis from Canada on 09/18 at 01:25 PM -
Mudge Mudge Mudge… at home during lunch a minute… you know I’ve never understood most of what passes for conflicts here-- no one here actually thinks that domestic situations in the US are just fine, just that most people’s attention’s more easily caught by foreign policy rather than domestic. I guess that since domestic stuff is literally all around us, it gets boring, hence the tendency to gravitate toward foreing issues… I don’t know, it sure is a pain that I can’t read all this more while at work, so see later…
Posted by James from Hell's Kitchen on 09/18 at 01:37 PM -
Hello again, everyone. A quick reply to Mudge: What constitutes an “attack”? I ask this because, as far as I know, no one here has attacked you. I may not agree with or even understand your stance but I don’t make a habit of attacking Expendables. Have I missed something?
Captcha sez: “point” (as in: What’s your...?)
Posted by Mickey Z. from Astoria on 09/18 at 02:24 PM -
CatLady#13: No, I didn’t suspect anyone of Bush I’s “Don’t Worry, Be Happy” mentality! Just bitching because I don’t feel like the domestic side gets anything like enough attention.
Hi RMJ! Soak up that D, winter’s on her way.
Empress dear, if we’d gotten our keys already, this entire discussion would be moot. THings would be far more fair and equitable. Alack and welladay....
Say, while moving into my new home, I ran across my copy of The Rebel by Camus...did that discussion ever happen? It’s a really important book, but a tough sledride. I appreciate Camus’s clarity, but man-o-mighty the conceptual framework he built took me a good while to piece together because it was so unlike my existing mental architecture. Sorta like living in an Art Nouveau manse then waking up in a Mies van der Rohe machine for living.
Also rediscovered Death on Credit by Celine. It’s the 60s translation, not the New Directions Death on the Installment Plan version that made Celine’s street-talk into drawing-room talk. A much better translation, then, in my opinion. He was a vile man, was Celine, a very Fascist kinda guy who hated ____ (insert names of non-French non-Catholic groups here) more than he loved anything or anyone...but damn he could write!
Time for my nap. Nighty night.
Posted by Mudge from Austin, Texas on 09/18 at 02:46 PM -
Great article Mickey Z. This should be a mission statement or clarion call to the American masses.
Since there has been major motivation for foreign control in the past, one would have a hard time believing that our domestic affairs would not want to be controlled and nurtured even more so. Especially when one considers the in depth lengths taken to cover up these foreign missions.
The 1980s: The Birth of the Grand Illusion
Beginning in the 80s, people steadily worked to soak up a friendly consumers market backed and driven by unprecedented retail/commercial sales and a behemoth Military Industrial Complex. The Reagan administration, including the propaganda machine from the remaining vanguard of the OSS, flooded the economy and society’s expectations with fast, shortsighted growth, thoroughly cementing attitudes and behavior. This phenomenon has systematically manipulated the American masses ever since. A political family of several generations had coalesced into a small army finally able to sink its meat hooks into the culture at large, giving birth to a grand illusion. The Left is effectively ostracized and finally trapped in a widespread cultural landscape of semantics. Here we are in 2006. Oh, the 80s!
My elementary school days began in public school during the early 80s when a revived material way of life engulfed America. The propaganda machine’s top secret phrase and ace in the hole was ‘the things you own, end up owning you.’ And that’s exactly what happened to the American masses. Unfortunately, the ‘thing’ most treasured was the delusional belief in our own power of wealth, democracy and security. By the end of the decade, the propaganda machine had gained power on two vital fronts: sole global military dominance and the media. The birth of a grand illusion was born; easily crafted from an unscrupulous and seemingly benign thought process that would become a dangerous and uncontrollable pattern of behavior.
So it began… America had to continue defending democracy and capitalism over communism. Materialism is a good thing in a capitalistic-democracy and something that should be uniquely American especially in the ‘us vs. them’ Cold War ideology. We should have every right to usher in great material wealth without supplanting the last parts of wholesome America with Madison Avenue. The stage is set and the great American experiment turns sole attention towards a wild and irresponsible blitz of economic power - Versaille on the Potomac indeed. But the propaganda machine knows it can’t boost the economy to unprecedented heights without pulling the strings along the way. A combination of American hubris and Cold War fear is a potent mix for cooking up the birth of a great big, grand illusion. A little big of string (cheese) to play with doesn’t hurt either.
-more-
Posted by dw from on 09/18 at 02:57 PM -
There is very little conversation about shared cultural goals and peaceful resolution at home or abroad during the 80s. Our altruistic nature is completely vulnerable as the Reagan administration relentlessly reminds the nation of nuclear disaster. Along with this subtle but ever present fear, existential discussion falls on deaf ears within our daily lives. Institutions unilaterally join in a simplistic, canned and overly optimistic national dialogue/campaign. A peculiar and pretentious attitude develops across the country. Fear isn’t the only factor here. The masses naturally take advantage of the space that a booming economy provides. Families begin comparing notes on what latest toys to buy. The culture turns inward and not in a good way. “Go about your business. Get yours, I’ll get mine. Everything is cool, do your thing, I’ll do mine.” Religion takes a hard right turn. But no worries, we can spend our precious money and time shopping in the big malls! They’re complete with fancy fountains, decorations and holiday motifs. “You can get anything and everything there, including Santa Claus.” The outside strip malls have fast food and rides! It’s very easy to turn inward and still appear happy and independent. We are told how to look the part and to “Just Say NO.” “Get a college education because it will make you a lot of money.” “Be business like; successful people don’t show their emotions.” These messages are not only drummed into us they’re straightforward and uncomplicated. The propaganda machine adroitly adjusted to the way the masses were acting and eventually everything began to reinforce itself. By the end of the decade, the masses had been raised to mature into “good and obedient soldiers“ for their fascist puppet masters. This was the beginning of the systematic manipulation of national morale and War without the draft. Strangely, we began to overlook the cheesy materialistic ad campaigns and even allowed ourselves to be entertained by them. We are creatures of habit. We crave order; everyone knows what role to play. We carry the very remnants of this today – whether you’re “liberal” or “conservative.”
Neither Bill Clinton nor any other liberal did anything to change the culture. The power structure is completely entrenched throughout the country, inside the government and out. It’s what the Dept. of Defense secretly calls the ‘self-licking ice cream cone’, according to former Pentagon analyst and whistle-blower Chuck Spinney. In fact, the power structure sits back while the American masses chase their tales in the media. Whoever “controls” the media controls the mind. This quote from a past Mickey Z. article hits on it, “Far from damaging the system, (activists) actually legitimize it. By their petitioning, they acknowledge the right of those in power to exercise that power as they choose.” To this day most of us believe we’re “controlling” a rational and legitimate way of life. How could it be any other way? Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth remains tightly guarded in the circles of the fascist puppet masters and the obscenely rich. These people don’t wake up in the morning plugged into the same world the rest of us do. They’ve got the truth locked away while the rest of us toil in this quest to understand life, which is wrapped in an enigma, wrapped in a puzzle, wrapped in a conundrum, wrapped in a riddle, wrapped in a quandary.
We must first begin to gain back some sense that we can take control of our own destiny. Mickey says it well “Until we voice what is in our hearts and have the nerve to admit what we hate...we will never create something that can be loved.” We must resist the refurbished Cold War fear rhetoric and be honest and mature about our American hubris. That means taking a step back to see what has happened. And then we need to organize. Otherwise, we’re still perpetuating the same illusion. We need nothing less than a rebirth; and in my opinion, a rebirth of new information and new ideas. No amount of wealth, privilege or status can trump unity. There’s no reason we can’t address this illusion we’re living in. It doesn’t have to be a nightmare.
Posted by dw from on 09/18 at 02:58 PM -
MZ #14: The kind of thing that I mean by “attack” is perhaps best illustrated by the comment “If you’re that cynical, well then, I don’t know what to do with you” that another poster here made. You personally have not, in my memory’s remit, attacked me in any way. You disagree with me, and you say “I think you’re wrong” which is exactly what works in civil discourse. Your arguments about the state of the world and the state of the nation and so on are constructed on (most of the time) sound logic and well-documented facts. I don’t mean to say that you, Our Host, bear the blame for my sense of irritation.
I disagree with Rosemarie about reparations, and vehemently so. She responds with exhortations to re-evaluate my position based on her information, and in light of her well-thought-out opinions. Even when I still disagree, neither of us has said anything --->personal<--- about the other, and I continue to hold RMJ in the highest possible regard. (You, not so much. ;->)
This is more like the time you posted that Schwarzenegger picutre, him with his saggy 60-year-old’s body, as a means of demonstrating his character. I took umbrage because a man’s body appearance was being used to make a point about his character or politics or something equally irrelevant to his appearance. As that was not aimed at me personally, I let the subject die. Since this occasion became about me, and my beliefs, and my strong convictions being characterized as cynical, I was mortally offended and walked away.
I wouldn’t have been so insulted had the characterization been “That sounds cynical to me, Mudge” or some such. I’m simply not willing to be told how I am...I’ll tell you right back, most times, and that’s how nastiness like the whole Israel’s-wrong/Israel’s right flap get going. I’m less and less comfortable with my own absolutist tendencies, and less and less tolerant of those tendencies in others.
Anyway. Here I am. We’ll see how well it works for all concerned that I hang around.
Posted by Mudge from Austin, Texas on 09/18 at 03:03 PM -
Please do not leave, Mickey! You are an American after my heart - a patriot in the best sense of the word.
‘Hi’, Declan, Amelopsis, Owen, Mudge (WELCOME BACK!), Canadian Observer, Rosemarie, Uncle Joe, James and dw.
Temperatures expected today in Melbourne, Australia: 82F, and spring is only 19 days old!Ciao,
HelgaPosted by Helga Fremlin from Daylesford, Australia on 09/18 at 03:21 PM -
So much today…
First: hey Mudge. I mighta been the one who made the personal attack; if so, it was wrong to do so. Here’s something I read recently that got me thinking of my verbal conduct when disagreeing with people.
Next: from yesterday, I wanted to echo David’s kudos to MZ for inspiring personal change. Mickey, you have had a significant and positive influence on how I choose what I eat, and I feel better for it.
Next: for Declan…
Whaddya call a deer with no eyes?
No idea.
Whaddya call a deer with no eyes and no legs?
Still no idea.
Whaddya call a deer with no eyes and no legs and no balls?
Still no fucking idea.On the domestic vs. foreign policy focus of this space: I can understand the reasoning for seeing domestic issues as important and underexamined. But it’s difficult (especially for those of us living potentially on the wrong end of US foreign policy, as Mickey put it) to put energy into failing education/healthcare/social systems in the US while the military bases, detention centers, and shifting coalitions of terrorist anti-terrorists grow grow grow.
Posted by Keir from The Hague (Jackowski election hdqts) on 09/18 at 03:23 PM -
‘Why I hate America’
I sat a really really tried to read your silly little blog and I REALLY tried to take you seriously.
You hate America while you blog on a computer with parts from China assembled by what amounts to slave labor. ( My husband, who is very brilliant, made my own computer with parts gotten from the garbage, from thrift stores, so we did not really contribute to the bad capitalist system, not that we don’t like capitalism, but it doesn’t hurt to be thrifty you know)
Your not even a good communist!!
You’re a useful idiot, and an embarrassment to Marxism.Why don’t you just leave then??? Give your house to a nice Cherokee family...hey!
Give it all to me!
My father was a bonafide Cherokee with enough Seminole blood mixed in to make him handsome...with a number and everything on the Dawes roles (er...that means his grandfather was in the ‘trail of tears’ you bad little skinny white man you) so give all your slave made stuff and your house put together by some poor Mexican day laborers (I’ll sell it and give the money to the poor...honestly) and go back to Europe or where ever your ancestors came from.I bet you even have sex with your girlfriend who is on the pill or has an implant and urinates estrogen into the environment and does more damage then any nuclear bomb.
detnews.com/2005/project/0508/14/Z04-275435.htm
You also probably have a bank account, eat meat, and I can see you read, and are well fed, and wot wot??
No one has knocked you’re door down in big bad America.
Do America a favor and Never ever have children please.
Oh...and it’s a free country so:
GOD BLESS YOU!
HA!
;p
doveps...no doubt your very angry right now because most leftists do not have a sense of humor. I just want to tell you the Prozac will help with the negativity you have hon.
Trust me.My poor liberal sister in law was on it after her 3rd divorce and had a fight with her ex over their 3 little wiener dogs (well...two were wiener dogs the other was a German shepherd) and it did wonders for her disposition...she even voted for Reagan one year....or was it Bush...Ok...it was Bush.
but then she got off it, gained 40 pounds and has been grumpy and no fun since.So I recommend Prozac.
I never need it, because I am a capitalistic, conservative who loves life, loves her kids, loves her country and loves her husband...who is a genius and a lot of fun too, be cause he is a conservative as well.
We have 13 kids btw.
3 dogs, a hamster and at least 3 neighborhood kids who wont go home till after dark.
ok...that’s that.
God bless and have a grumpy liberal “I hate America life.”
And don’t celebrate the fourth of July…
that would make you a...(Soto voice)"hypocrite‘“.
And..oh...I can’t resist:
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
Posted by mom from USA on 09/18 at 03:41 PM -
What I hate most is the squandered potential. At any point we could stop our inane consumer-militaristic mindset and be a force for good. We once had the brains, the spirit, the desire to occasionally be a force for good once in a while. And 98% of the time we chose to ratfuck ourselves, each other and the rest of the world.
Posted by The CultureGhost from Concord CA on 09/18 at 03:47 PM -
Ah, freedom....for ill informed moms to go off half cocked without understanding either the points made, or the person who made them, and attempt some sort of tirade designed inflame tempers while having no intention or desire for discourse.
I usually say ‘welcome’ to newcomers here, but honestly, this time I just don’t want to.(dime-store psych. observation: your tirade here after expressing your ignorance of the blog owner and his position on the topics you cherry-pick reminds me a great deal of 7 year old school boys who tease the young girl they’ve got a crush on...misplaced emotions - perhaps you have latent feelings that things aren’t as okey dokey as you’d like to think)
To moms like this everwhere (and other people like her too), I plead with you to read before your fingers start typing.
CG: yes the force for good effort has been co-opted entirely and the only ‘good’ that seems perceptible is corporate profit.
Posted by Amelopsis from Canada on 09/18 at 04:05 PM -
I ask my mom not to post here on the days she’s getting chemo and now look what’s happened.
Posted by Mickey Z. from Astoria on 09/18 at 04:16 PM -
Mickey I thought you weren’t supposed to have a sense of humour ;)
Posted by Amelopsis from Canada on 09/18 at 04:27 PM -
Hey, I’m not the cynical one around here.
Posted by Mickey Z. from Astoria on 09/18 at 04:29 PM -
Mickey! How many times do I have to tell you and your fake-breast-laden girlfriend to stop eating so much meat.
And Mudge is just too much of a cynic, I can’t deal with him anymore so I’m off to my Dostoyevsky class at the New School downtown. Nothing like an epileptic Orthodox Christian dead Russian author to get me out of all this crazy cynical negativity… btw, I think it’s awesome that Verbose Mom has a hamster in the family.
Posted by James from Hell's Kitchen on 09/18 at 04:56 PM -
Thought this was one place I could come to avoid the trolls.
When Mom writes:
“ps...no doubt your (sic) very angry right now because most leftists do not have a sense of humor”
It makes me wonder what she considers to be humorous. It certainly isn’t to be found in her comments.
Amelopsis, I am with you in withdrawing the welcoming mat to ‘Mom’.
Posted by Canadian Observer from on 09/18 at 04:56 PM -
In general, this place is troll-free. However, this “hate” article has been posted widely: forums, Craig’s List, Indy Media, etc. That brings in new folks and thus, a troll or two. It’s sad to note that the typical response from those not in my usual reading audience is similar to what “mom” wrote. No facts, no debate, nothing to add. Just regurgitating the patriot rant. Only one ranter challenged anything I said and that was to take umbrage with me characterizing Suharto and the Shah as “brutal.”
It’s funny, yeah...but at the root, it’s horrendous. The vast majority of Americans cannot handle a shred of criticism but also are incapable of offering any rebuttal except personal attacks and threats. Someone like “mom” would line up with the gov’t in a flash to round up the “anti-America” crowd. You wonder how things got so bad so fast in Germany? It can happen here...and anywhere.
I’d write an article about all this but it would do absolutely nothing.
Posted by Mickey Z. from Astoria on 09/18 at 05:07 PM -
Btw, DW, I’m sorry I haven’t replied to your posts. You’re dead on here: “Neither Bill Clinton nor any other liberal did anything to change the culture. The power structure is completely entrenched throughout the country, inside the government and out.”
Sadly, the right imagines Clinton as a subversive radical and much of the liberal left chooses to view him as a hero.
Posted by Mickey Z. from Astoria on 09/18 at 05:14 PM -
CatLady - A Dostoyevsky class? I’m sure his condition ought to cheer you up - life’s not as bad as his? (or, there’s always prozac)
Canadian Observer: Yes, this place is normally so pleasantly devoid of trolls like this one today, I’m sure we’ll be back to our usual grumpy liberal selves tomorrow.
Here’s another thing I hate about America...the term ‘liberal’. Here, north of the 49th parallel, ‘Liberal’ is a political party, not a quasi-political state of mind.
So, if you want to co-opt the political inference, kindly take the whole damned Liberal party back down there with you!
Thank you for watching.Posted by Amelopsis from Canada on 09/18 at 05:18 PM -
MZ: A wrote those long comments to explain why everyone is now saying something like this, ‘we seem to have people in control of our lives who exhibit a very limited consciousness. How did this happen and why do we allow these people to have power over us?’
This all really started to take on a life of its own in the 80s. It’s very disturbing but it can be understood. We need to do something about this b/c the mindset is exactly the same as it was in Germany.
Posted by dw from on 09/18 at 05:35 PM -
The power structure is too smart to go off the deep end like Nazi Germany, it has too much to lose but it has the same kind of corrosive mindset.
Posted by dw from on 09/18 at 05:42 PM -
Am I the only one who thinks “mom” isn’t a troll? Either the comment is a joke, because someone with 13 (count ‘em) kids doesn’t have time for this, or she does, but just barely, and so we can forgive her having missed 101% of MZ’s original article. Either way, funny!
Posted by Keir from The Hague (Jackowski election hdqts) on 09/18 at 05:48 PM -
that was an excellent article, mickey. thanks.
Posted by Kirbie from NewMexico on 09/18 at 06:14 PM -
Mom obviously didn’t do her homework before she went on her rant. I am a conservative and I love America but it’s becoming clearer to me that I love America because of the easy life(For the most part) that I have here. What I didn’t know was that my easy life is the cause of someone else not having such an easy life and I’m trying to change that. great article today Mickey.
By the way Captcha sez “mother”. WOW!
Posted by David from Louisville KY on 09/18 at 08:15 PM -
Thanks, Kirbie and David.
Posted by Mickey Z. from Astoria on 09/18 at 09:07 PM -
I found the responses interesting.
Why did I even comment??
because...you were published and linked to Al Jazeera...whether you know it or not..the muslim blogs are linking to your article.I mean...THATS how I found you’re article. My 21 yr old nephew (stationed in the middle east) saw it and emailed it to me. He found it while looking at something on youtube, which led to a pro Al-Jazeera site which led to ‘counter punch dot org’ ...and found your I hate America article.
It upset him and his friends very much.
In fact....Let me just say one thing, like a bomb..I’ll drop it.
You ARE right.
America IS evil.
Secular America is evil. It is a greedy perverse destructive force.Christian America is disappearing.
And history has a gory way of repeating itself...and it is right hear and now we are the cusp of a conflict that will be very like world war two...but worse.
because this time there is no ‘great generation’ to take up the fight.I do say God bless America.
And I do mean it.
I LOVE my country...AMERICANS...not the secular mainstream...but real Americans are amazing good people…
..but they are fewer and fewer.Sadly.
There will be no draft..(your fellow blogs all rage about it)...why?
..I know from friends in the state department that most people in the Y and Z generation are certifiably undraftable either because of genuine health issues(like STDs or add issues etc) or character faults that are simply untenable with military life. (do you think Abu-Gaib happened in a vacuum?). And then there’s the other 1/3 of the generations that just doesn’t exist anymore...because...well..their just gone you know.The young men and women in the military now...(which articles like yours does it share of hurting) are getting exhausted.
We can’t win this conflict....
America is weak and sick.
a place of filth, pornography, drugs...a haunt of serial killers and child molesters. Parents of any kind of intelligence dont dare let their children wander like in yesteryears…
America willbe rightly destroyed because secular humanist, the godless left already did more to destroy the 3 generations after mine then any five world wars could ever do. Over 40 million since Roe V. Wade..
Think...of...that.
has your mind ever gone there?
a baby burning slowly to death in a saline abortion in her mothers womb times several million times...over two hours they say...it takes for the fetus to finally die.
Of course now they suck the brain out...a much more humane procedure.The worst the muslims do is saw a head off...or stone an adulterer once in a while.
And you think God will have mercy on this country? This country, like Carthage of ancient times, deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth.
When I see articles and the site that your article was on...I know our time is up.
http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=2&art_id=33896&sec_id=66327#section66328
The question is...will we ask God for mercy...or will we write articles about how much we hate our country so that we can discourage the few brave men and women who are willing to fight like a modern tokyo jane?
Inspite of everything I just said..I opt for begging for the mercy. I think the good Americans I personally know are worth fighting for.
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About a year ago, I moved from my home town of Washington, D.C. to St. Michaels- a flag-waving, yellow-ribboning, global-warming-renouncing, SUV-driving, Rush Limbaugh-listening, Fox news-watching, jingoistic-slogan-touting quiet little town on the eastern shore of MD. Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney both have houses here, and I’ve been feeling crushed and alone until coming accross this piece.
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Oh wow. Mom’s SUV, hauling her 13 kids, 3 dogs and hampster can pump out all the carbon emissions it wants, but women on the pill can’t pee?
If she’s so concerned about polluting the environment, maybe she should be writing to “good old American” GE- whose nuclear waste (as a result of making weapons for our government) caused thousands of cases of cancer in unsuspecting folks in Walla Walla, Washington in the 80’s and early 1990’s, and caused birth defects such as babies being born with no skulls. “Not that I don’t like capitalism.” No, sir! Go caps!
I did read the article “Mom” cited, and the explainations for mutated fish were: a) Herbicidal chemicals washed off en masse from farmlands (this happened in an extensively agricultural area of the nation) or b) Birth control pills flushed down sinks or toilets. Gee. I wonder which one is the more likely cause? And secondly, who the heck is flushing those things? They’re expensive, and not covered by insurance.
Speaking of medication, as far as I’m concerned, we should all be on Prozac, so that we no longer feel the sinking, sickening, revulsive reaction that our unalterable path as a nation so well deserves. Perhaps we CAN all drug ourselves into voting for Bushes, as Mom suggests. But since Prozac also isn’t covered by many insurers, how about being “thrifty” to use mom’s term, and just submit to a lobotomy. All you need is a shot of jack (for the doc) and an ice pick. Its the do-it-yourself solution to all our grumpy liberal lives.
I have a lot more to say in response to Mom, but as a member of the entirely useless, dare I say FRENCH “generation Y” -(or “WHY, GOD, WHY?” as I call it) - I just don’t have the time in my busy schedule of shooting up, having abortions and contracting venerial diseases. (Its hard to keep up with all that when you’re so ADD) So, I bid you all ADIEU!
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